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Ben Charland's avatar

Good listen, Amber. Progress goals instead of product goals—not easy for me, but crucial! In order to do the work, I first need to be in the work. If I focus on product, I often find myself resenting the process. But if I truly embrace the process, a product is usually inevitable. Thanks for the prompts too!

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Amber Vitti Hill's avatar

We have to notice when we are in the process of making, that the product doesn't even matter. We are just happy to create meaning out of the chaos.

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